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was a senator from illinois named barack obama. he carried their water on blocking this pathway to citizenship when he was in the senate. the afl-cio put out a press release yesterday talking about the importance of not compromising on citizenship. so the unions themselves -- there are a lot of cross-currents here. the unions themselves don't want an influx of new workers in america, do they? >> no, they don't. that's one of the reasons this organizing for action, jim messina's full-time job is trying to get the union's in line, but it's going to be hard. it's hard on the democratic side. we're not even talking about the difficulty on the republican side getting it through the house. this is a senate democratic problem. >> so the republicans in the house, in effect, could stare at harry reid's senate and say okay, immigration reform, that's great. you guys pass it. >> say bring it. >> yeah, bring it. gun control, great. you guys pass it, we'll look at it. gay marriage, if you want to nationalize it, go ahead. you guys pass it. we'll look -- i mean, they could do this on every one of the presid
and then the senate. i would hope senator reed would go through the ordinary process of having the senate pass a bill and let's put it on the floor and pass amendments. i would like to have offsetting spending cuts. we did this last time. president obama agreed to dollar for dollar spending cuts for every dollar the debt cell was raised. it's 22 times we have used the debt ceiling to reinact really substantial reforms. we need those reforms more than ever. the,000 is taking the first step. i hope the senate will do its work and i will push to off-set some of this. >> you don't have a problem with using the debt ceiling as a means to negotiate this. >> i don't. this president won't agree voluntarily to cut a dime of spending and thinks we need more spending, not less. the only time we were able to get him to agree with spending reductions was the last time we were arguing over the debt limit. it's not optimal, not my first choice. i think we have to use whatever tools are available to us. we are on an unsustainable path. the overspending is costing us economic growth and costing us jobs. >> do republi
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